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		<title>By: Eric Gauvin</title>
		<link>http://bloggasm.com/make-jeff-jarvis-earn-his-street-cred/comment-page-1#comment-79754</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Gauvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon,

I think you&#039;ve hit the nail on the head.

My first impression of Jeff Jarvis was that he was full of bs, and I&#039;ve noticed a growing number of people with the same opinion.

I was really struck that such a blabbermouth would be clucking about his impressive status as journalism professor at CUNY in order to back up his reputation as a great thinker.

So I tried to find some info about his educational background and couldn&#039;t find much, so I asked him and this is the bizzaro answer he gave me.

I sometimes wonder if he has a real degree or some kind of last-minute paperwork in order to get the position at CUNY. As a prof, I put importance on educational credentials. Work experience is also important, but Jeff Jarvis seems to shift emphasis back and forth between his impressive academic credentials and his real-world work experience whenever it pleases him.

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&quot;Eric,
Since you asked... I finished high school in three years and then college in three years. By age, I should be the class of 76 out of college but I shaved two years off and graduated ini December, as I recall, of 74. I had been working at Chicago Today (a paper that had no tomorrow) while going to school, from September 73 to Friday the 13th of September 74, when the paper folded. I then caught the lifeboat to the Tribune as I finished off my last classes to complete the degree (including, stupidly, an economics course in the Northwestern night school on Fridays after I got off work for the week at 7a Friday morning; damned near didn&#039;t graduate because I overslept for class). But I finished my requirements and kept working. Northwestern didn&#039;t make it easy for me but I was damned if I was going to give up a job at the Chicago Tribune and so I insisted on night school and won the battle. The next year, as I recall, I became an assistant city editor of the Tribune; if I&#039;d stayed at Northwestern, I&#039;d have been completing my master&#039;s about then. There&#039;s the tale. Since you asked.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>My first impression of Jeff Jarvis was that he was full of bs, and I&#8217;ve noticed a growing number of people with the same opinion.</p>
<p>I was really struck that such a blabbermouth would be clucking about his impressive status as journalism professor at CUNY in order to back up his reputation as a great thinker.</p>
<p>So I tried to find some info about his educational background and couldn&#8217;t find much, so I asked him and this is the bizzaro answer he gave me.</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder if he has a real degree or some kind of last-minute paperwork in order to get the position at CUNY. As a prof, I put importance on educational credentials. Work experience is also important, but Jeff Jarvis seems to shift emphasis back and forth between his impressive academic credentials and his real-world work experience whenever it pleases him.</p>
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&#8220;Eric,<br />
Since you asked&#8230; I finished high school in three years and then college in three years. By age, I should be the class of 76 out of college but I shaved two years off and graduated ini December, as I recall, of 74. I had been working at Chicago Today (a paper that had no tomorrow) while going to school, from September 73 to Friday the 13th of September 74, when the paper folded. I then caught the lifeboat to the Tribune as I finished off my last classes to complete the degree (including, stupidly, an economics course in the Northwestern night school on Fridays after I got off work for the week at 7a Friday morning; damned near didn&#8217;t graduate because I overslept for class). But I finished my requirements and kept working. Northwestern didn&#8217;t make it easy for me but I was damned if I was going to give up a job at the Chicago Tribune and so I insisted on night school and won the battle. The next year, as I recall, I became an assistant city editor of the Tribune; if I&#8217;d stayed at Northwestern, I&#8217;d have been completing my master&#8217;s about then. There&#8217;s the tale. Since you asked.&#8221;
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<p><a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/10/your-advice-should-i-debate/" rel="nofollow">http://www.buzzmachine.com/2007/05/10/your-advice-should-i-debate/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://bloggasm.com/make-jeff-jarvis-earn-his-street-cred/comment-page-1#comment-79655</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John, no not at all. What I was reacting to was Jarvis&#039;s perpetual &quot;I told you so&quot; rhetoric and his constant declarations, or laws, that he hasn&#039;t really tested. I think a lot of what he&#039;s said can be found in the paranoid anti-MSM writings of thousands of bloggers. It&#039;s a combination of either common sense or overly-idealistic futurist predictions presented as fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John, no not at all. What I was reacting to was Jarvis&#8217;s perpetual &#8220;I told you so&#8221; rhetoric and his constant declarations, or laws, that he hasn&#8217;t really tested. I think a lot of what he&#8217;s said can be found in the paranoid anti-MSM writings of thousands of bloggers. It&#8217;s a combination of either common sense or overly-idealistic futurist predictions presented as fact.</p>
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		<title>By: John Welsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great exchange of comments between JJ and yourself but I must admit I am confused by your argument. Are you saying that only people such as Brin and Rose are qualified to talk about new media because they have been involved in â€œbuildâ€? Surely that confuses the means with the media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great exchange of comments between JJ and yourself but I must admit I am confused by your argument. Are you saying that only people such as Brin and Rose are qualified to talk about new media because they have been involved in â€œbuildâ€? Surely that confuses the means with the media?</p>
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		<title>By: John Welsh</title>
		<link>http://bloggasm.com/make-jeff-jarvis-earn-his-street-cred/comment-page-1#comment-79653</link>
		<dc:creator>John Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great exchange of comments between JJ and yourself but I must admit I am confused by your argument. Are you saying that only people such as Brin and Rose are qualified to talk about new media because they have been involved in &quot;build&quot;? Surely that confuses the means with the media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great exchange of comments between JJ and yourself but I must admit I am confused by your argument. Are you saying that only people such as Brin and Rose are qualified to talk about new media because they have been involved in &#8220;build&#8221;? Surely that confuses the means with the media?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I hadn&#039;t heard about the Washington Post syndication, congrats on that.

I definitely think you&#039;ve accomplished a lot, both inside the industry and as a critic of it, but I have to admit that reading Buzzmachine can often be frustrating. The vague truisms seem to be often idealistic and not backed up by specific strategy, making your &quot;I told you so&quot; moments ring as false. And is it just me or were you singing the praises of hyperlocal for months until there were a string of stories about such sites failing, and though you still talk about newspapers ditching the AP and localizing their content, I haven&#039;t seen much from you about hyperlocal lately. I think it&#039;s often the case that you trumpet untested theories as fact and label anyone who questions them as &quot;curmudgeons.&quot;

But anyway, thanks for commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I hadn&#8217;t heard about the Washington Post syndication, congrats on that.</p>
<p>I definitely think you&#8217;ve accomplished a lot, both inside the industry and as a critic of it, but I have to admit that reading Buzzmachine can often be frustrating. The vague truisms seem to be often idealistic and not backed up by specific strategy, making your &#8220;I told you so&#8221; moments ring as false. And is it just me or were you singing the praises of hyperlocal for months until there were a string of stories about such sites failing, and though you still talk about newspapers ditching the AP and localizing their content, I haven&#8217;t seen much from you about hyperlocal lately. I think it&#8217;s often the case that you trumpet untested theories as fact and label anyone who questions them as &#8220;curmudgeons.&#8221;</p>
<p>But anyway, thanks for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://bloggasm.com/make-jeff-jarvis-earn-his-street-cred/comment-page-1#comment-79609</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon,
Oh, you&#039;re that Simon, as in the proprietor. Sorry. I&#039;m so used to anonymous comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon,<br />
Oh, you&#8217;re that Simon, as in the proprietor. Sorry. I&#8217;m so used to anonymous comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Jarvis</title>
		<link>http://bloggasm.com/make-jeff-jarvis-earn-his-street-cred/comment-page-1#comment-79608</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Jarvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WWB,

I was trying to forget that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WWB,</p>
<p>I was trying to forget that.</p>
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